I’m going to link to it in my upcoming summary of ALL the French visas I’m aware of. Elle peut être annuelle ou pluriannuelle (2 à 4 ans) en renouvellement d’un précédent titre. — A copy of the written and signed attestation d’hébergement that my partner provided me with when I applied for my visa, along with a copy of her identity card. We have time to think about it but I don’t see any solution so far, so I would need your help please ! A little cheeriness goes a long way in fighting the stress of the appointment for you and the long workday for the agents. Be patient and steadfast in the daunting task of navigating French customer service. we waited all the morning and once we passed with the agent, he only asked if we had a one year of common life, we said ‘yes, even more’. It took about 30 minutes. Si vous n’êtes pas entré(e) en France avec un visa de long séjour ou si vous n’avez pas de titre de séjour, la carte de séjour temporaire « vie privée et familiale » peut exceptionnellement vous être délivrée. Google has many special features to help you find exactly what you're looking for. I will share mine and ask you some questions at the same time. He doesn’t have a lot together with his girlfriend, but they had enough at the same address to be granted the visa. Hi there, I have a question that doesn’t seem to have been asked here. I currently live in Germany but I will be moving to France in 2 months to join my French partner (PACS). I want to heed your advice and make my appointment 3-4 months before April 2018, but I cannot seem to find an answer anywhere to this question. Only option they have was MARRIED… and almost a full year of being PACS’ed, so it shouldn’t be too bad! what was the outcome of your situation? I was already married with an indian since 2014. The new visa I’m on is called a vie privée et familiale, which translates to “private and family life”, and is based on a number of factors- namely, the fact that we’re PACSed and have lived together for more than a year. We met in China, and I would like her to move with me in France), To apply for the VISA, we need to apply for the PACS (ok fine), but we need as well to prove that we are are living together for many months or even more than one year…. I have one question! The new visa I’m on is called a vie privée et familiale, which translates to “private and family life”, and is based on a number of factors- namely, the fact that we’re PACSed and have lived together for more than a year. Before making the appointment I had ALL my documents ready to go and they did not even look at them (they said that will take place on my actual appointment date and that since most of my documents will probably be out of date I’ll have to redo them all to make them less than 3 months). I’m from the states, and am recently pacsed, and will have my appointment in October for the VIE PRIVÉE ET familial “visa.” This blog has been a huge source of comfort for me especially because like you said everybody’s process can be extremely different! But, if you're applying for vie privée et familiale, it means that you have someone (a family member) you are joining in France. If my content helped you in some way, and if you feel like tipping some amount, you can do so by clicking, as easy as it sounds, and may take at least a month for everything to be in place. I have a quick question for you, I see now that the prefecture of police is changing the way they are taking the appointments for the Titre de Sejour Vie prive and Familial. Finally got the CDS in August 2018. One on Long Term Stay Visitor and one on Profession Liberale. Emily how can i reach you via private message? THey also never respond to emails and you cannot call them. 1. her long stay visa, copy of passport, her RIB(but no transaction). Because I see on the service-public.fr website that for a “titre de sejour de validite superieure d’un an, il faut declarer un changement d’adresse” …my visa is valid Nov 30, 2017 to nov 30, 2018, which is technically one year, not “plus de un an”….So i wonder if technically i do not need to declare an address change and if I can just go to the paris prefecture directly? I am a New Zealand citizen and pacsed my French boyfriend in September 2017. service-public? As long as you have an appointment to change status, you can stay in France while you wait for your appointment, even with an expired card. NB: elle vit maritalement avec le père de ses enfants qui est africain aussi. muziotti92 Messages postés 2 Date d'inscription mercredi 12 décembre 2018 Statut Membre Dernière intervention 12 décembre 2018 - Modifié le 12 déc. Thanks for sharing your experience. I am not a lawyer or immigration professional and this does not constitute professional or legal advice. it is indeed a nightmare going through outdated forums trying to figure out the truth. Is it possible to get PACS’ed and receive the CDS vie privée after the APS visa? Hi, I'm Emily! A VLS-TS (visa long séjour valant titre de séjour) is literally every type of long stay visa for coming to France- the difference is the “mention” which can be visitor, student, salarié, etc. PACS certificate thing Because the PACS is more or less a tax status, you can’t apply for it outside of France and it’s not valid anywhere but in France. I have been told he cannot apply for a Vie privée et familiale visa cause we haven’t been living together in France. I too am having trouble understanding the required documents, the Rhône préfecture website is not clear at all. You definitely seem to have an angel watching over you . If possible, it’s a good idea to have the rent in both names too, but it cost 200€ to change our lease so we didn’t bother. I had a question and I’m not sure if you know this process or know anyone who’s gone through it but I am currently renewing my visa and as my student visa is expiring, I will have to apply for an APS. I just have a few questions, and I’d be so glad to read from you. Side note: I refer to this as a visa, as most do, but it’s actually called a carte de séjour. It is a SIX MONTH WAIT. You can get PACSed at any time while you live together, but will not be able to apply for the vie privée et familiale status until you can prove one continuous year of living together. She had to leave the prefecture and go home to get it before they would give her her récépissé. Hello, Eric. It was December 2017, and even though I’d quit my desk job and was preparing for the move, the visa was the first real step — it would give me the legal approval to embark on my Paris dreams. They told me that even though my appointment was in June and my visa expired in April, just to stay in the country. The "longstay visa D" is a catchall term for the one year long stay visa - but much depends on the reason you give for your stay in France. It has to be one year continuously living together in France, and proof from every month of that year (statements from a joint bank account, both names on the electricity bill or rent receipts, etc). We brought as much of the documentation as we could at this first meeting. Just make sure you’re prepared and have all documents in order and not stapled together. Sorry for my extremely late reply…. I biked to Central Park, found a bench in the sun, and basked in the feeling of being closer to my goal. I just wanted to share my experience as this post/ comments has helped me so much. Sorry, I mean in 2017 I moved to Berlin. As proof of vie commune, I took 4 pieces of mail at least for each month, eg our joint account with both our names, quittance de loyer in both our names, his phone bill, my phone bill, his payslip, my bank account. They didn’t seem to care that I had spent about 4 months in the US so we hadn’t technically been living together in France for 12 consecutive months. Have a love day! N’s Tip: Despite it being listed as a paper that proves the PACS on the list provided by the prefecture, do not bring only the birth certificate of the French partner- bring the PACS certificate. La délivrance du titre de séjour vie privée et familiale est mentionnée dans l’article L 313- 11 du CESEDA.. Si vous avez des attaches familiales en France, vous pouvez obtenir une carte de séjour vie privée et familiale, sous certaines conditions.Cette carte vous autorise à travailler. The differences between the two visas are tied to the rights they give you: a VPF visa allows you to work, to receive a Carte Vitale, and to leave the country for one to four years (depending on the length of stay you’re granted). Ah! thanks Emily and yeah congrats on your visa. I arrived in 2015 as a students and I got aps for one year. They will ask for them in this order so it’s best to organize them like this ahead of time. Since I couldn’t legally work in France with my visitor visa, and am self-employed in the US, I had a recent freelance agreement and my book royalty contract translated from English. My Frenchman, Frédéric, appeared four months into my first visa, and we were PACSed (PACS stands for pacte civil de solidarité and is judicially one step below marriage in France) a year-and-a-half later. All documents are ready except my language certificate. K’s Tip: Go ahead and make the appointment even if you don’t have all 12 months of living together if your visa is going to expire. When I went back, I asked him about this and he said if I had a degree or had taken the DELF (which Stephen has written about) I’d be eligible for a longer term visa. I am Murugesh from India, I have a visa “Salarie” with authorization to work. Does she have to live and come back every 3 months? I was wondering if you could share what you brought for your vie privée et familiale renewal appointment and how it went! The most important first step you can take in getting this visa is to put as many bills and papers as possible in both names. You’re told to bring originals and copies, but we were only asked for the copies so have those at the front of your file. Since her visa was set to expire in July, she and her boyfriend called in April/May to make the appointment and got one for June. My récépissé did allow me to work when I got it, and I believe I got a text saying my card was ready in about a month. So I got a long-stay visa visiteur granted now, and am planning to come in a month. (I’m going through the Rhone Prefecture). If not, request it now since it needs to have an apostille which adds an additional step, depending on what state you were born in. Good luck!! Hello, Thanks a lot for sharing your experience! Hello Emily, Changement de statut étudiant à vie privé et familial. Thanks again for this helpful article! Note: This is not as easy as it sounds, and may take at least a month for everything to be in place. They just looked at our IDs, proof of address, copy of our pacs and the attestation de non-dissolution and the last 12 months’ proof of living together. (Last week).. I’ve been living in France and done all my university years in France (I’m currently finishing my first year of my Master’s degree). The long-term stay visitor visa allows you to spend a year in the country, and…that’s about it. All the best! I work on ships so I go at sea for months at a time but my main residence would still be in France…. This means I’d spent nineteen months getting ready. Yes I had moved to France in 2016 on a WHV, during which time I met my boyfriend. Note: Be sure to make copies of the front and back of any ID cards or other two-sided documents. IT was actually all pretty chill and easy. Even if they involve months of planning and paperwork, for me, each visa is a new lease on life, a government stamped document promising I can keep pursuing my dreams. However, there were not an option for PACS. However, this was also the point that I began to analyze each person working there and which one seemed the nicest and the most likely to say yes to my file. Cette rubrique s'adresse aux particuliers comme les sans papiers pour leurs apporter des informations juridiques sur les droits des étrangers en France . They should have sent you a list of papers to bring, and in this case, it’s really all you need. We are so lost and so frustrated… I tried the business visa but after 3 months of waiting, they just rejected me with no explanation… I really hope I can get some helps here. good luck! Crossing fingers !! The OFII integration papers – I did all that back in 2015 and they’re long lost. You would have needed to have documents (bills, bank statements, etc) together during that year- they don’t take photos or train tickets as proof (we brought some and they laughed at us). What is the number/ website I should be contacting? I have one question regarding a récépissé. Hi Gizem, I’m honestly not sure. Conditions d'utilisation - Toutes les pièces, la liste de pièces ET la convocation doivent être imprimées avant le rendez-vous. Could you give me the number that you called to get the appointment ? We will be visiting France this July (so I’m hoping to get a long stay visa again this time. So my question is that how can i wait until my appointment if my visa expires in less than 3 months now ? It seems like I shouldn’t as I am legally able to stay in France for 6 months at a time. there’s a huge gap from october-january, but we never stopped living together!! In this case, we each provided: both of our payslips; both of our mobile phone bills; the rent receipts in his name; my bank statements. but, neither of us pay any bills or have a joint account. In addition to the standard IDs listed above, here are the ones requested pertaining to my situation, which was “Proof of Personal and Family Ties in France”: As you can see, the prefecture list is lengthier and less document-specific than the online list. Moved back to the US in July 2017. Anyway, maybe I’ll just stick to APS for now. His birth certificate. hi audrey, yes you can, i came to france on a 6 month tourist visa, then found work and changed to a travailleur temporaire – i held this for three years then switched to a vpf, no problem btw i’m from new zealand but i think it’s the same criteria for anyone outside the eu. — EDF and Bouygues (internet) invoices from as far back as my name was on the invoice. Le portail officiel du ministère de l’Intérieur consacré aux démarches administratives : carte grise, immatriculation, carte d'identité, passeport, permis de conduire, accueil des étrangers, acquisition et détention d'armes, associations, élections, réglementation routière, volontariats Renouvellement titre de séjour vie privée et familiale : conjoint de Français La démarche est identique. These bureaucratic mishaps quite common, hence the generous timeline. please let me know the answer ! Pour pouvoir bénéficier de la carte de séjour, vous devez toujours vivre avec votre époux. Like Chris I too have an appointment coming up to renew my titre de sejour vie privee et familiale. So if we wanna do pacs, we have to live an extra year again? Like I noted in my post, I’m not an immigration professional, and it will depend on the person you get at the prefecture. I ordered these docs around Feb/march… so by OCt that will be about 7 MONTHS. Could you please provide me the source for your statement (as follows) because I can’t find the evidence for this anywhere: “UPDATE 2020: The Paris prefecture has changed the requirements for changing to VPF status- you still have to have 1 year of vie commune, but you must have lived in France for at least 3 years on another status. Hello guys, However, since he left France and no longer has a current residence card, he would have to move back to France and live here with his partner for a year before he could ask for this carte de séjour. I’m glad your appointment went well, congratulations!! I hope that when the time comes, this article will be helpful for getting your visa. they sent me to the accueil to make another appointment because my dossier was incomplete. 10 Jul 2005, 03:35 Anonymous. Whenever it’s possible, it’s best to have both your and your partner’s names on the document. i have photocopies of these two things but will that suffice for the appointment in october? if by any case, your new tds isn’t ready by then, come 1 week before the expiration of your current one to get a récépissé. The appointments at the prefecture are so backed up that if they were to kick everyone out whose visa expired before their appointment, no one would ever stay here! i really am trying to figure it out. I have a Titre de séjour vie privée et familiale, et j’ai un RDV for the first renewal. Thanks in advance! I’ve taken everything I’ve learned on my immigration journey and bottled that knowledge into two courses. She is the co-founder of the storytelling series Thirst, a poetry editor at Paris Lit Up, and the author of the novel Purple Gold (ANTIBOOKCLUB). By the time we had put everything together, my bag looked like this: You’ll go to your prefecture- if you’re in Paris, it’s the one on Île de la Cite right by the metro entrance. Hi Elisabeth, thank you very much! Good luck!! i just got married and will be picking up my carte de sejour vie famille at the Prefecture. I called the police prefacture, pressing various numbers to end up at some sort of étranger helpline. Conditions d'utilisation - Toutes les pièces, la liste de pièces ET la convocation doivent être imprimées avant le rendez-vous. However, if you’re planning to do a full year Master’s program and you move in with your partner and get all your ducks in a row for the VPF right from the start, I don’t see any reason that you’ll get rejected. Enter your email address to follow this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. We’ve been living together since she arrived in France and we got pacsed on june. Hi Laura, since this is a long-stay carte de sejour that can’t be applied for outside of France (as your eligibility is based upon your vie commune with your French partner in France), I think you need to have a long-stay visa before you can apply for it. My boyfriend dragged his heels on doing a lot of the paperwork stuff too- I had to really get after him to do it, but in the end I’m glad I spent that much time nagging because I needed almost all of it for our dossier. I would use the time to have at least 12 months living together and gather as many documents as possible - put both of your names on EVERYTHING you can think of. Hi Erica, did you do the renewal appointment yet? But I have my monthly bank statement where it’s written “chez” his name and his address. I should have lived in Paris as I found the process is less picky than the Prefecture Nanterre of my department. Thank you for the helps ! I’m not exaggerating when I say this took hours, and I’m grateful I gave myself time to do it. After these renewals (I had a work visa previously so I’ve been through the renewal process), they usually send you an SMS after several weeks, telling you your card is ready and to come and pick it up. it only took 10 minutes!!! We just had our joint edf bill starting from jun 2018. Changed from a student visa. Have you considered applying to ask for the French “naturalisation ” to become a citizen? hi Jolene i have my monthly bank statements and cellphone bill statements addressed there, but sadly from my understanding that won’t be enough ? Hi James! If you have experience with this, or know anyone, I would greatly appreciate your advice! It’s always better to be overprepared than underprepared. The last time we visited I got a 1year Visa). You’ll need to pay for the OFII stamp for the visitor visa now and then, when you apply for a changement de statut and get the VPF carte de séjour, then you’ll pay the 269 euros in taxes for the new one. If you’re not already PACSed, I would recommend that you do that as well, because it is another way of proving the strength and legitimacy of your relationship. We went back on the specified day of our rendez-vous with a thicker folder 15 minutes in advance of the specified time, took a number, and … waited for our number for 3 hours. Signaler. Changement de visa étudiant à visa vie privé et familial . Happy travel . We arrived at 12:30 and were told we’d have to wait a little while before getting a number to officially be in the queue, so we sat down. -Proof of health insurance that I used to get my Visa. Your article is really quite thorough and helpful. It’s been an amazing resource. At the mairie where we were PACSed, they found the certificate which had never actually been sent to Nantes. Thank you! So they asked me to wait until nov 2018 and it’ll be easier for me to apply after 1 year pacs. After waiting for our number for about 3 hours, a very helpful gentleman described what I would need (much of it I had together already), gave me documentation outlining these needs, and sent us on our way with an appointment for June. Hi James! Elle dispose d'un visa vie privée et familiale dans son passeport, celui ci est renouvelable et valable une année, il lui permet de travailler en France. should he mention the pacs when asking for the visa ? Hello! I have checked it and it doesn’t give an option for those who are pacsed…did you use the epoux de francais list? During the appointment, he’d also asked if I had a degree in French. We were extremely lucky that we got people who liked us and didn’t ask us for more proof about our vie commune (common life together) than what we had brought in, but I’ve heard stories of people who aren’t so lucky. We are so confused about what visa I can apply for), but we can’t do the application of PACS separately. This was I can refer to that , Have a great day ! These were all the folders with the papers we brought with us to the prefecture- I’m not even sure how many are in here! Turned out my impression was true. We organized our papers in the following order: personal documents (passport photocopies of both partners, foreign partner’s old visa card, birth certificate and translation, PACS or marriage certificate [needs to be dated within 3 months, information for how to order here], 3 official-sized photos, housing justification); joint documents (joint bank account, mutuelle, electricity, internet); and separate documents with the same address (payslips, rent receipts, mobile phone bills, separate bank statements). Here’s what I provided at the second rendez-vous (all detailed in the paper that was given to me): I couldnt apply carte de sejour for pacs before leaving France. (Im french and my GF is from Ukraine. I have an appointment to change my status from visitor to vie privee/familiale. Carte de séjour vie privée et familiale : vous avez un enfant français. I just want to prepare myself for what’s to come. – A copy of my passport with a Longstay Visa (type D) for my most recent entry. on getting your visa! You’ll receive your appointment confirmation via email, as well as the list of documents. He provided: personal papers- academic records; joint papers- attestation from French partner’s mother; separate papers- payslips, bank statements, phone bills, electric bill in French partner’s name, rental agreement in French partner’s name. ), but we aren’t sure that we can get a PACS and any long stay visa after the PACS with this kind of “visa”(because it’s not really a visa but just a travelling). . I lived in Paris with my partner for 2 years. We don’t have many documents together with both out names on, but will be working to get this sorted immediately. The attestation d’hébergement will help, but I doubt it would be enough for the vie privée. (also, regarding birth certificates, does french partner also have to provide an up to date certified copy or just photocopy? then she told us that we were cute on the photos but that they werent necessary. Pour consulter la liste des documents à fournir, cliquez ici. I think I’ll seek legal advice anyways. In august 2017, we decided to PACS, we collected all the documents and we did it. or I just need to ask my language school for the certificate? Oh that’s News to me and that would solve everything! Hi Sam, does this mean you cannot work for six months? hello Guys and Emily, Even we really lived a year tgt…? The key here is to prove that you have been living together for at least the past year- they won’t be terribly interested in anything further back than that. 1) We do not have proofs of papers in both of our names. What number did you call? Regards, so we don’t have any of these proofs that you have listed or that i have seen online anywhere. Thanks ! I do not know if i need to declare this change of address to my antony prefecture? I didn’t know you could apply for a new visa from within France. how long after getting the récépissé did you wait before receiving the text message that your cds is ready for pickup? So don’t fret like I did, just be well prepared, I’m sure you will be fine! After arriving and settled here in paris, i sent the visa copy and OFII form which i received from embassy india, Ofii siad that Her file can’t be processed at oFII and they asked me to visit Prefecture “versailles”. I have a couple of questions for the VPF, which website did you use to get your list? Please post on here how you went, and exactly what documents were needed! If you are on another visa that is handled by the prefecture de police at Cité, you should be registered with the CRE and won’t have this issue, though it’s still good to deal with a visa renewal in a timely fashion. Good luck! Check out my post on how to get PACSed linked in the first paragraph as well for more information about how that process works. Merci ! I really don’t know what to do. I really appreciate your response. It was at this point and this point only that I began to relax a little bit. Just wondering what visa(s) you had before getting the vie privée et familial? You’ll need to bring it to the appointment. Hi Rachel, no, your husband doesn’t need to be present and you will hopefully not be there the whole 1.5 hours. 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The statements of my friends featured here as did a contract at the gym where I go regularly. i can find nothing specific for clarity. But I’m not sure) but I think it might be easier to just do the APS for now and then if you don’t find a job in your field during that year, do the VPF at the end of that visa. Finally i got the visa ” vie privee and fam” but nothing mentioned about the “authorization to work” in her visa. The latter I had to get in Paris in person since I was running low on time. on your birth certificate? Also not sure how it’s possible that you can stay in France for 6 months at a time without a visa- normally the rule for non-EU passport holders is 90 out of every 180 days, but perhaps you have a special situation?
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